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		By: Ted Williams		</title>
		<link>https://writersontherange.org/killing-fish-to-save-frogs/#comment-440</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://writersontherange.org/killing-fish-to-save-frogs/#comment-313&quot;&gt;Dave Marston&lt;/a&gt;.

Another Point:


Proeschold writes:&lt;span&gt; “Paiute cutthroat trout occupied pretty much all of its very limited native habitat; the project Wilderness Watch and several allies challenged was aimed at establishing a trout population upstream of its native range and in naturally fishless waters in order to create a new angling opportunity.” False. Paiute cutthroat trout occupied none of their native habitat. They were eliminated by alien rainbow trout. Rotenone treatments restored them to their native habitat. The pure Paiute population upstream was already established, and that establishment had nothing to do with “angling opportunity.” It had everything to do with saving this threatened species from extinction as mandated by the Endangered Species Act.&lt;/span&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://writersontherange.org/killing-fish-to-save-frogs/#comment-313">Dave Marston</a>.</p>
<p>Another Point:</p>
<p>Proeschold writes:<span> “Paiute cutthroat trout occupied pretty much all of its very limited native habitat; the project Wilderness Watch and several allies challenged was aimed at establishing a trout population upstream of its native range and in naturally fishless waters in order to create a new angling opportunity.” False. Paiute cutthroat trout occupied none of their native habitat. They were eliminated by alien rainbow trout. Rotenone treatments restored them to their native habitat. The pure Paiute population upstream was already established, and that establishment had nothing to do with “angling opportunity.” It had everything to do with saving this threatened species from extinction as mandated by the Endangered Species Act.</span></p>
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		By: Dave Marston		</title>
		<link>https://writersontherange.org/killing-fish-to-save-frogs/#comment-313</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Marston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 19:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://writersontherange.org/killing-fish-to-save-frogs/#comment-312&quot;&gt;Matthew Koehler&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;span&gt;From Ted Williams in response to the above letter: &lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span&gt;I was distressed to read the commentary of my old friend and colleague Kevin Proescholdt of Wilderness Watch wrongly alleging “factual errors” in my May 4&lt;/span&gt;th&lt;span&gt; op-ed defending the National Park Service’s effort to save endangered mountain yellow-legged frogs by poisoning and gillnetting a small percentage of the alien trout that prey on them.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span&gt;One might suppose that a group with the name Wilderness Watch would understand the Wilderness Act which does indeed provide for pesticides to preserve wilderness assets like native fish and wildlife: “Nothing in this Act shall be construed as affecting the jurisdiction or responsibilities of the several States with respect to wildlife and fish in the national forests.” Federal permits for pesticide use are routinely issued.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span&gt;Proescholdt proclaims that Wilderness Watch doesn’t oppose the use of gillnets to remove alien trout, but the public comments from his organization in the Park Service’s environmental review prove otherwise.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span&gt;The Forest Service, Fish and Wildlife Service and California Fish and Wildlife used rotenone to save the Paiute cutthroat trout from being hybridized off the planet by alien rainbow trout. But litigation from Wilderness Watch delayed the project for years, nearly ushering the rarest salmonid in America into extinction.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span&gt;Proescholdt’s claim that rotenone &lt;/span&gt;“kills all&lt;span&gt; organisms that use gills -- fish, amphibians, and even macroinvertebrates” and that “these same waterways are then stocked with alien fish predator” is patently false. Amphibian adults are unaffected by rotenone, and rotenone is applied after larvae have metamorphosed. The vast majority of macroinvertebrates survive by a process called “catastrophic drift.” They sense rotenone, dislodge, and go downstream. The few that succumb are rapidly replaced, and populations generally do better because they aren’t eaten by alien fish. Finally, the fish stocked are imperiled natives, not “alien fish predators.”&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span&gt;Most distressing is Wilderness Watch’s notion that projects to save icons of wilderness like the federally threatened Paiute cutthroat trout are motivated, in Proescholdt’s words, by “a zeal to promote fishing.” Wilderness Watch imagines that Trout Unlimited volunteers hike 14 miles into the high Sierra to catch seven-inch Paiute cutthroat. Throughout the West, Wilderness Watch opposes, impedes and sometimes blocks rotenone projects. It can&#039;t conceive that native-fish recovery could be about anything other than sport. This is how it dismisses Gila trout recovery, also mandated by the Endangered Species Act: &quot;It is both sad and ironic that it was Aldo Leopold who convinced the Forest Service to protect the Gila [National Forest] as our nation&#039;s first wilderness in the 1930s—now, it is in danger of being converted to a fish farm for recreationists.&quot; I wish my friend Kevin Proescholdt and Wilderness Watch would realize that fish are wildlife, too.&lt;/span&gt;
 
--Ted Williams]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://writersontherange.org/killing-fish-to-save-frogs/#comment-312">Matthew Koehler</a>.</p>
<p><span>From Ted Williams in response to the above letter: </span></p>
<p><span>I was distressed to read the commentary of my old friend and colleague Kevin Proescholdt of Wilderness Watch wrongly alleging “factual errors” in my May 4</span>th<span> op-ed defending the National Park Service’s effort to save endangered mountain yellow-legged frogs by poisoning and gillnetting a small percentage of the alien trout that prey on them.</span><br />
<span>One might suppose that a group with the name Wilderness Watch would understand the Wilderness Act which does indeed provide for pesticides to preserve wilderness assets like native fish and wildlife: “Nothing in this Act shall be construed as affecting the jurisdiction or responsibilities of the several States with respect to wildlife and fish in the national forests.” Federal permits for pesticide use are routinely issued.</span><br />
<span>Proescholdt proclaims that Wilderness Watch doesn’t oppose the use of gillnets to remove alien trout, but the public comments from his organization in the Park Service’s environmental review prove otherwise.</span><br />
<span>The Forest Service, Fish and Wildlife Service and California Fish and Wildlife used rotenone to save the Paiute cutthroat trout from being hybridized off the planet by alien rainbow trout. But litigation from Wilderness Watch delayed the project for years, nearly ushering the rarest salmonid in America into extinction.</span><br />
<span>Proescholdt’s claim that rotenone </span>“kills all<span> organisms that use gills &#8212; fish, amphibians, and even macroinvertebrates” and that “these same waterways are then stocked with alien fish predator” is patently false. Amphibian adults are unaffected by rotenone, and rotenone is applied after larvae have metamorphosed. The vast majority of macroinvertebrates survive by a process called “catastrophic drift.” They sense rotenone, dislodge, and go downstream. The few that succumb are rapidly replaced, and populations generally do better because they aren’t eaten by alien fish. Finally, the fish stocked are imperiled natives, not “alien fish predators.”</span><br />
<span>Most distressing is Wilderness Watch’s notion that projects to save icons of wilderness like the federally threatened Paiute cutthroat trout are motivated, in Proescholdt’s words, by “a zeal to promote fishing.” Wilderness Watch imagines that Trout Unlimited volunteers hike 14 miles into the high Sierra to catch seven-inch Paiute cutthroat. Throughout the West, Wilderness Watch opposes, impedes and sometimes blocks rotenone projects. It can&#8217;t conceive that native-fish recovery could be about anything other than sport. This is how it dismisses Gila trout recovery, also mandated by the Endangered Species Act: &#8220;It is both sad and ironic that it was Aldo Leopold who convinced the Forest Service to protect the Gila [National Forest] as our nation&#8217;s first wilderness in the 1930s—now, it is in danger of being converted to a fish farm for recreationists.&#8221; I wish my friend Kevin Proescholdt and Wilderness Watch would realize that fish are wildlife, too.</span><br />
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&#8211;Ted Williams</p>
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		By: Matthew Koehler		</title>
		<link>https://writersontherange.org/killing-fish-to-save-frogs/#comment-312</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 19:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Wilderness Needs Our Humility and Restraint, Not Our Poison&lt;/strong&gt;by Kevin Proescholdt, Wilderness Watch 
Ted Williams’ recent op-ed attacking wilderness advocates like Wilderness Watch for opposing fish poisoning projects in designated Wilderness and incorrectly asserting that we oppose saving mountain yellow-legged frogs contained a number of factual errors, and demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of Wilderness and the 1964 Wilderness Act. Readers deserve some corrections.
 
My friend Ted, who I’ve known since 1996 and admired long before that, is a dedicated conservationist who has done much good through the years. But his zeal to promote fishing and the poison rotenone has seemingly blinded him to the negative implications of fish poisoning projects in designated Wilderness.
 
First, some of Ted’s factual errors:
 
• “But the Wilderness Act explicitly provides for the use of poisons to eradicate alien species.” FALSE. There is no such provision in the Wilderness Act. The Wilderness Act does allow some specific exceptions, such as controlling fire, but not the provision that Ted claims.
 
• Wilderness Watch opposes the use of “even gillnets....” FALSE. While we oppose the use of the poison rotenone in Wilderness, my organization is the leading advocate for using gillnets and other nonmotorized, non-poisonous methods to remove fish from naturally fishless wilderness lakes and streams.
 
• “Leading the charge against frog recovery...was Wilderness Watch.” FALSE. Wilderness Watch has championed frog recovery, and opposed planting fish in naturally-fishless wilderness lakes BECAUSE those fish consume native frogs, amphibians, and other native biota.
 
• “Wilderness Watch had litigated against, and dangerously delayed, rotenone treatment to save native Paiute cutthroat trout.” FALSE. Paiute cutthroat trout occupied pretty much all of its very limited native habitat; the project Wilderness Watch and several allies challenged was aimed at establishing a trout population upstream of its native range and in naturally fishless waters in order to create a new angling opportunity. 
 
Wilderness advocates would like to see imperiled fish saved. But this important work, when proposed in designated Wilderness, must not degrade Wilderness by further damaging natural aquatic ecosystems.
 
The central focus of the 1964 Wilderness Act is “preserving the wilderness character” of the areas Congress designates. It’s hard to imagine wilderness character being preserved by dumping poisons into wilderness waterways that kill all organisms that use gills—fish, amphibians, and even macroinvertebrates, and then stocking these same waterways with an alien fish predator.
 
Wilderness is not merely an empty storeroom waiting for humans to fill it with fish because managers place a higher value on fish than native ecosystems. Wilderness is a vibrant ecosystem in its own right that functions without our interference, providing secure habitat for wildlife, fish, and even macroinvertebrates. Wilderness designation allows ecosystems to function naturally without our human interference. Some threatened and endangered species live in Wilderness because these areas often provide their last best habitat, but we shouldn’t jam fish that never before lived there into a Wilderness or into lakes and streams that were historically fishless.
 
The main descriptor in the Wilderness Act is the word “untrammeled,” and this word actually does appear in the law. It was chosen very carefully by Wilderness Act author Howard Zahniser. Untrammeled doesn’t mean untrampled or untouched, as some assume, but it means unmanipulated, unconfined, or unhindered. After designation, Wilderness must be allowed to evolve on its own terms without our manipulations, even if humans had damaged the landscape in the past or manipulated its ecosystem previously.
 
The Wilderness Act thus requires us to stop imposing our human desires or whims on wilderness landscapes, and to allow Wilderness to function without our manipulations and interferences. At a time when humans are putting our planet in peril, Wilderness needs and deserves our humility and restraint, not our poisons.

&lt;em&gt;Kevin Proescholdt is the conservation director for Wilderness Watch, a national wilderness conservation organization headquartered in Montana. He has worked on wilderness conservation for nearly 50 years.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Wilderness Needs Our Humility and Restraint, Not Our Poison</strong>by Kevin Proescholdt, Wilderness Watch <br />
Ted Williams’ recent op-ed attacking wilderness advocates like Wilderness Watch for opposing fish poisoning projects in designated Wilderness and incorrectly asserting that we oppose saving mountain yellow-legged frogs contained a number of factual errors, and demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of Wilderness and the 1964 Wilderness Act. Readers deserve some corrections.<br />
 <br />
My friend Ted, who I’ve known since 1996 and admired long before that, is a dedicated conservationist who has done much good through the years. But his zeal to promote fishing and the poison rotenone has seemingly blinded him to the negative implications of fish poisoning projects in designated Wilderness.<br />
 <br />
First, some of Ted’s factual errors:<br />
 <br />
• “But the Wilderness Act explicitly provides for the use of poisons to eradicate alien species.” FALSE. There is no such provision in the Wilderness Act. The Wilderness Act does allow some specific exceptions, such as controlling fire, but not the provision that Ted claims.<br />
 <br />
• Wilderness Watch opposes the use of “even gillnets&#8230;.” FALSE. While we oppose the use of the poison rotenone in Wilderness, my organization is the leading advocate for using gillnets and other nonmotorized, non-poisonous methods to remove fish from naturally fishless wilderness lakes and streams.<br />
 <br />
• “Leading the charge against frog recovery&#8230;was Wilderness Watch.” FALSE. Wilderness Watch has championed frog recovery, and opposed planting fish in naturally-fishless wilderness lakes BECAUSE those fish consume native frogs, amphibians, and other native biota.<br />
 <br />
• “Wilderness Watch had litigated against, and dangerously delayed, rotenone treatment to save native Paiute cutthroat trout.” FALSE. Paiute cutthroat trout occupied pretty much all of its very limited native habitat; the project Wilderness Watch and several allies challenged was aimed at establishing a trout population upstream of its native range and in naturally fishless waters in order to create a new angling opportunity. <br />
 <br />
Wilderness advocates would like to see imperiled fish saved. But this important work, when proposed in designated Wilderness, must not degrade Wilderness by further damaging natural aquatic ecosystems.<br />
 <br />
The central focus of the 1964 Wilderness Act is “preserving the wilderness character” of the areas Congress designates. It’s hard to imagine wilderness character being preserved by dumping poisons into wilderness waterways that kill all organisms that use gills—fish, amphibians, and even macroinvertebrates, and then stocking these same waterways with an alien fish predator.<br />
 <br />
Wilderness is not merely an empty storeroom waiting for humans to fill it with fish because managers place a higher value on fish than native ecosystems. Wilderness is a vibrant ecosystem in its own right that functions without our interference, providing secure habitat for wildlife, fish, and even macroinvertebrates. Wilderness designation allows ecosystems to function naturally without our human interference. Some threatened and endangered species live in Wilderness because these areas often provide their last best habitat, but we shouldn’t jam fish that never before lived there into a Wilderness or into lakes and streams that were historically fishless.<br />
 <br />
The main descriptor in the Wilderness Act is the word “untrammeled,” and this word actually does appear in the law. It was chosen very carefully by Wilderness Act author Howard Zahniser. Untrammeled doesn’t mean untrampled or untouched, as some assume, but it means unmanipulated, unconfined, or unhindered. After designation, Wilderness must be allowed to evolve on its own terms without our manipulations, even if humans had damaged the landscape in the past or manipulated its ecosystem previously.<br />
 <br />
The Wilderness Act thus requires us to stop imposing our human desires or whims on wilderness landscapes, and to allow Wilderness to function without our manipulations and interferences. At a time when humans are putting our planet in peril, Wilderness needs and deserves our humility and restraint, not our poisons.</p>
<p><em>Kevin Proescholdt is the conservation director for Wilderness Watch, a national wilderness conservation organization headquartered in Montana. He has worked on wilderness conservation for nearly 50 years.</em></p>
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		By: Kay Charter		</title>
		<link>https://writersontherange.org/killing-fish-to-save-frogs/#comment-293</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2023 20:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I hadn’t allowed judicious use of herbicides on my 47 acre bird sanctuary, it would be covered with habitat destroying autumn olive and other nonnative vegetation.  The result would be that the more than 40 average nesting species  here would find a dearth of insects required to get the birds off the nest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I hadn’t allowed judicious use of herbicides on my 47 acre bird sanctuary, it would be covered with habitat destroying autumn olive and other nonnative vegetation.  The result would be that the more than 40 average nesting species  here would find a dearth of insects required to get the birds off the nest.</p>
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